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“Things a Man Oughta Know” According to Two Dads and Lainey Wilson

In this episode the Dads talk about the breakthrough hit for the current queen of country music, Lainey Wilson, “Things a Man Oughta Know”. This song is a lot deeper than it first appears and affects you in more ways than you realize. The Dads breakdown how the song hits them and how their perceptions of this tune have evolved over time. 

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Show Notes:

  • 1:18 Dad Life Sound Check: Dave Talks about the Importance of a DNO (Dad’s Night Out) with the LA Dads Group, Naja’s Place, Toby Keith and Kip Moore. Mick talks about being home with a sick kiddo, Johnny Cash’s American Recordings and how “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” has affected Major League Baseball. 
  • 15:27 The Hardy Report: What makes a small town? HARDY gives us some perspective via “Rednecker.”  
  • 19:01 The Farm Boy Update: The chickens don’t like the 55 degree Midwest weather fluctuations.
  • 20:15: The Dads get into and break down the song that put Lainey Wilson on the path to becoming the hottest commodity in country music, “Things a Man Oughta Know.”
  • 29:40: Grady Smith and his feature of “How Lainey Wilson Took Over Country Music” on YouTube. 

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Transcript:

This is Country Music Dads, the parenting podcast with a twang.

We’re bringing you highly subjective, sometimes questionable, and always 100% authentic country music analysis, as only two dads in the trenches of modern parenting could do it.

My name is Dave, and I’m a country music dad.

My name is Mick, and I’m also a country music dad.

Thank you for joining us.

Again, really appreciate you joining us in your support as we take you on the parenting version of a country music journey.

For your listening pleasure today, we have our regular segments.

We’ll start off with the dad life sound check, get into some hardy and farm boy updates, but then we’ll get into the meat and potatoes of the show.

We’re gonna talk a little bit about the current queen of country music, Miss Lainey Wilson, and the song that put her on the map, which is, as everyone should know, Things a Man Oughta Know.

So let’s get this ball rolling with the dad life sound check.

Dave, would you like to tell us what’s going on in your world?

I would be happy to.

This week, I had Dads Night Out.

Very important.

Yeah, critical.

This is not a kind of an extra thing to do.

This is a necessary thing to do, especially for dads like us, Mick, that are primary caretakers.

You know, we need a break, need a chance to connect with other adults for a change after talking to little humans all day.

So I had that opportunity, and I really needed it this week.

As you know, Mick, my wife, Kim, was out of town for a few days, and she’s had some late nights at the office, some conferences, and that meant that I was solo parenting for the nighttime routine, feeding them, bathing them, getting them into bed.

And as you might imagine, that is a grind, especially for me.

That’s like my lowest energy part of the day.

It’s probably my kid’s lowest energy part of the day too.

So high conflict, we usually, it’s usually as a team effort, but recently a lot more solo nights doing that than I’m used to.

And it takes its toll.

It does, I mean, you’re at the end of the day, the kids are at the end of their day, and it just, you’re going to bed for a purpose to recharge.

And when you need to kind of recharge yourself, it does make it hard, absolutely.

Yeah, so I had a good night out, some new friends, some old friends.

I’m one of the organizers for the LA Dads Group, and so I got to pick where to go for the Dads Night Out, and I was a little…

That’s doing that is stressful, isn’t it?

Because I used to have to do that or get to do that, phrase it however you want, but when I was helping to run the Kansas City version of the Dads Group, and we scheduled Dad Night Out, it is stressful picking a place, at least for me.

Yeah, yeah, you get to and you have to.

I think it’s both of those things, for sure.

There’s some pressure.

So yeah, the pressure that I was feeling in LA, there’s so many neighborhoods you could go to.

There are so many bars and restaurants and venues.

It’s easy to get overwhelmed with the choice.

The way that I’ve approached it, I will pick the place that I want to go personally, and just hope that other people show up.

But in LA, there’s just so many trendy places you could pick.

When people come from out of town, you have some pressure, you want to show them a good time, take them to a cool spot with a nice view.

I picked one of my favorite dive bars for the Dads Night Out, because that’s what I wanted.

That’s what I needed.

We went to this place called Naja’s Place in Redondo Beach.

It’s really close to the Redondo Beach Pier, kind of overlooks the marina.

It’s exactly as I remembered it.

But I think it’s probably been a decade since I had been there, and it has not changed at all, because it’s perfect, just the way it is.

Okay.

So questions are popping into my brain here.

You generally don’t, at least in my world, middle America, you don’t equate a dive bar with Redondo Beach.

Anything that has beach in the name, you think maybe like beach bar, but then, you know, we don’t have any beaches here in the Midwest.

So I’m probably being, you know, over stereotypical.

But what is a dive bar in California?

Because I know what a dive bar in the Midwest and in the South is.

But what is a California dive bar?

I mean, do they still have valet parking?

I mean, is that how it works out in LA?

They did not.

They did not have valet parking.

There is a parking structure.

But at least one of the dads that showed up, he wandered around the pier for a long time trying to find this place.

So definitely not valet for this place.

And yeah, I know I say like it’s on the Redondo Beach Pier, but the Redondo Beach Pier is, it’s a lot of things.

It is, there’s like fish markets and there’s some nice spots, but it’s also, it’s pretty divey.

It’s not like resort town.

It’s not, if you want the, what you would think about when you think of like an LA beach bar, you go a little further north to Manhattan Beach or Hermosa Beach.

That would fit the vibe that you’re thinking about.

All right.

There are definitely dives.

I’m sure they’re different than the Midwest dive bars, but the key criteria for me is that it’s got like the smell of beer kind of permeates everything.

Even when it first opens, it’s gonna smell the same way.

It’s got kind of a musty smell.

There’s no dress code, T-shirt, shorts, flip flops, whatever, doesn’t matter.

And it just has like a little bit of a, there’s just a layer of grime that is kind of, it’s kind of baked in to all the surfaces.

Baked in to the stools that are stuck to the floor.

Yeah, it’s seasoned, it’s well seasoned with just many, many years and spills.

Baked in to the wood paneling from the 70s that is on the walls, and baked in to the picture of the dogs playing poker.

You ever seen that painting?

Yeah.

Yeah, that’s a dive part of me.

Wood paneling, sticky seats, and the dogs playing poker hanging on the wall somewhere.

Yeah, very sticky.

We had, I think Naja’s has a kind of a little mural of a surfer, so that’s how you can tell.

You’re at the beach, but there’s no beach.

You’re at the, you’re in the marina.

This is where people refuel their boats and stuff, and these are not yachts.

So, yep, we went to the dive bar, and it reminded me of, well, first of all, Toby Keith recently passed away, so there’s been a lot of Toby Keith playing.

There has been a lot of Toby Keith tributes on the airwaves.

Yep, around town.

Rightfully so.

I fell into that, too.

Yeah, yeah, so I fired him up, too.

I Love This Bar is the song that comes to mind when you’re thinking about bars.

It’s very simple, but it’s a song that I can relate to because I walked into this place that I used to go to when I was in my 20s, and it brought back lots of memories, and I loved that place, it was great.

A decent amount of people showed up, but it almost didn’t matter because I just, I love that place so much.

And the other song that popped into my head was Kinda Bar by Kip Moore.

I think it’s kind of the, it’s almost like a spiritual successor to I Love This Bar.

Glamorizing that scene, the scene that you remember as a younger man.

So I think as a dad now, I don’t get out to bars very much.

So it was a treat and Naja’s Place, it’s my kind of bar.

Anyway, so I was also playing that song for my kids in the car in the minivan as we were driving around town.

And when I play like a party song, a song about a bar, I always think twice because they’re four and six and they pick up lyrics.

The six-year-old especially is starting to pick up meanings and I kind of worry that the message might not be the most positive for their upbringing.

But I was playing it and my four-year-old chimed in, he was like, kinda bar?

This song’s about a bar?

And I was like, yeah, this is about a bar.

And he held up his granola bar and he was like, like this?

And I said, yeah.

That’s exactly what it’s about.

He loves his granola bar so much that he wrote a song about it.

So-

That is awesome.

So yeah, if you talk to my kids, just back me up on this one for at least a few months until they catch on.

So yeah, Mick, what’s your favorite kinda bar?

I am partial to Kirkland brand nut bar with cocoa drizzle and sea salt.

Oh, the other one.

Okay, sorry.

I thought I was talking with the kids.

I thought I was talking to the boys.

I’ll need to look for that one.

I don’t know if I’ll have to expand my bar horizons.

I like, because I’m a little bit older, I like a bar that I can talk in because going out to a bar means going out for a social time and generally meeting up with people that you don’t always get a chance to visit with.

And as much as I enjoy listening to music, I also enjoy conversation with, I’m around people that I don’t get a chance to see very often.

So I do appreciate a bar that you can carry a conversation in.

That was not the case on Saturday.

There was a very loud cover band that was playing everything from Blink-182 to Tennessee Whiskey.

Although the Tennessee Whiskey was, it was a stretch.

The guy was trying for the Chris Stapleton version.

It was, he’s not Chris Stapleton.

No, not many people are.

But it was fun.

It was my kinda bar.

I loved it.

And I’m also a Snickers guy.

So anyway, what’s going on with you, Mick?

Well, last couple of days, we kind of got the little, the childhood, the childhood stomach bug that’s been going around.

Kate, this is Kate’s third day home from school.

And-

Ouch.

Right, so-

More ways than one.

Ouch.

But now we’re getting to the point where the first day she threw up like four times.

Yesterday, you could tell that she was just off.

She’s still just off.

Today, she’s starting to get sassy again.

So I know she’s feeling better.

But she’s fighting me when I try to get her to eat something because I still, I think she says anytime she eats something, you know, her stomach starts to hurt.

So I don’t know if she’s still got something lingering in there because I can’t really get much more than a piece of toast and egg down her.

And I know she’s got to be hungry.

Or is she just, you know, is she afraid to eat?

Or is it still, is her stomach still bugging her?

I’m not sure.

Stomach things are so hard to, as a parent, stomach things are just hard to diagnose.

I remember having stomach flu when I was a kid and it was the worst.

Hopefully this is the last day of it.

We’ll see, we’ll see.

But switching gears, I wanna thank you for something.

Last episode, when you were talking about how some of your first forays into Country Music were Johnny Cash’s American Recordings albums, that got me going and digging out those CDs.

Because I’m old enough, I still have CDs.

It got me digging those out and kind of reconnecting with a lot of those songs again and really just enjoy those.

I mean, The Man Comes Around and Hurt, those are the songs that are most often mentioned with that American Recordings series that Johnny put together.

But honestly, one of my favorite songs from that series is the God’s Gonna Cut You Down song, which was from the fifth one, 100 Highways.

I’ve just always really, so I’ve been listening to that one, the whole CD really, but I always kind of focus in on that song and turn it up a little extra loud when it comes on because it’s just such a good reminder that no matter what happens in the here and now, whether it be your religious belief or your karma belief or whatever your spiritualness dictates, everything is going to circle back around at the end.

So I always kind of gravitate to that message.

Plus another reason that I like this song is when this song came out back in, oh, this came out back in like 2006.

In 2007 was the first time it was used.

It became popular in baseball as walkout music for relief pitchers.

Oh yeah, I remember that.

So different ones have used it over the years.

Yeah, I wish I remember who, but that is a great entrance song.

The first one was a Seattle Mariner, because I just went and looked this up the other day.

I can’t remember his name, but the guy that I remember hearing it the most from was a gentleman by the name of Tim Collins with Kansas City Royals, because we used to go to a lot more games than we go to now, back when the Royals were a little bit better than they are now.

But most recently, I think Ryan Pressley with the Houston Astros used it a couple of years ago.

That just seems like a good, I’m just going to end you.

The relief pitcher comes in and he’s got that mentality of, I’m just going to end you, going to cut you down.

With baseball season starting soon too, it’s one of the highlights, man.

Spring training is in full swing.

Somebody else that is always in full swing is Hardy.

What is Hardy up to now?

Give us the Hardy report.

He is always fired up.

If Hardy was a closer, he would be sprinting in from the outfield, a la Heath Bell, John Rocker, always giving 127 percent.

For those of you new to the show, you should know that I identify as a Hardy super fan and also as the preeminent West Coast Hardy apologist.

It’s my mission to give you way more information about Hardy than you ever needed.

So Hardy has, his debut single was a song called Rednecker.

It actually has gone platinum as a single since he first released it.

I think it came off his first EP.

So Rednecker is a fan favorite.

It’s one of those standard country list songs.

People get really fired up for it, it’s really catchy.

And there’s one line that is in the chorus where he says, My town’s smaller than your town.

So my four year old was, he’s been requesting the song and he was running around the house yelling those lyrics.

My towns smaller than your town.

And being from LA, I had to stop him and say, you have to be careful about where you sing this song because you come from a big town, you’re from LA.

Like you’re gonna have to go to New York if you’re gonna sing this song authentically.

And I’m trying to teach my sons to be authentic, true to their roots, you know?

Because they can’t help it, they’re from a big town.

That’s not gonna change as long as I’m still living here.

So yeah, it just got me thinking like, it’s hard to find a bigger town than LA.

He’s gonna have to go to Tokyo.

Sing, my town’s smaller than your town or Beijing.

He doesn’t have many options, so I feel bad for him.

That’s all right.

All that does is give him an excuse to travel.

Traveling is good.

Find the biggest towns in the whole world and just sing HARDY songs in the middle of the street.

Love to see it.

That would be awesome.

So yeah, I don’t know.

I think that’s kind of a trope in country music.

They’re always, as they’re glamorizing small town life and it kind of makes me feel left out because I like the concept.

I just don’t have the direct experience.

So I don’t know.

You’re from a small town, Mick.

Yes.

How do you think about someone like me from a big town?

Well, first, I feel sorry for you.

No, I’m just kidding.

It’s all relative, man.

Even within your big town there, you’ve got your little small communities and you have your areas, so.

That’s right, man.

I got my little dive bar on the Redondo Beach Pier.

So it’s just, it’s all, it’s however far you wanna take it.

You know, you talk about big towns, small town.

I’m just kind of reminded of a song that came out.

It’s been a few years now.

The Brantley Gilbert song, Country Must Be Country Wide.

His whole point of that song is that it doesn’t matter where you are.

You can find what you want.

You can do what you want.

You can, size doesn’t matter, as long as you’re doing your thing.

How are things in your small town, Mick?

How’s the farm?

The farm, yes, the farm.

The farm is dealing with midwestern weather is the best way I can phrase it.

Yesterday, it was 70 degrees, and the overnight low was 16, and we had snow on the ground.

The temperature change was the most drastic temperature change I think I have ever seen.

I mean, we’re used to fluctuating midwest weather, but this was the craziest one that I have ever seen at all.

So I’ve got chickens who don’t want to go outside now because my chickens are babies.

They don’t like to go walk out in the snow.

There are some chickens that the snow doesn’t bother them.

No, there’s snow on the ground.

They won’t leave the coop.

Poor chickens.

Is there something you do for the chickens when it’s extra cold?

I maybe try to give them a few more treats just so they eat a little bit more to get their metabolism up.

Other than that, not really.

That’s where we are.

They’re still laying eggs though, so they’re good for that.

That’s what counts.

All right, well, that is everything I think that we’ve got on the regular segments.

You ready to talk about Lainey Wilson?

Things a Man Oughta Know.

It’s a great song.

It is a great song.

This is why I’m really looking forward to this conversation is because I think you and I are gonna approach this from completely different angles.

Yeah, like a true good song.

It’s got some depth to it when you kind of peel back the layers a little bit.

Absolutely.

Where you start is not necessarily where you’re gonna end.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, the first time I heard this, I think I heard it on the radio.

I mean, I think it went to number one on the radio.

When I first heard it, what I expected was for it to be one of those, like a list song.

Here are the things that make you a man if you’re from the country.

Here’s the list.

There’s the, I can catch a fish.

I can shoot a shotgun, all these things that she starts listing out.

But then she changes gears really quickly.

Those are things that she can do.

It’s not necessarily just things that a man can do.

There are other things that are important for a man to know beyond those things.

I think I first understood the twist when I saw her perform it live a couple of years ago.

Really, she was still an up and coming artist.

She wasn’t the superstar yet.

We’re on this small stage at Stagecoach early in the day.

She intro’d the song by saying something to the effect of these things that a man ought to know, these country skills, you can YouTube that stuff.

So, here’s something that you can’t YouTube.

I think she’s right.

There’s all those skills that show up in all these country songs.

Being from a small town or fishing or having a big truck or anything like that.

I think the message that I take from this song is that what truly makes a man goes beyond that.

It’s about your relationships and how you treat other people.

And particularly in this song, it’s about how you treat a woman, the woman who you’re in a relationship with.

So I’m raising three sons right now, and I think there’s a lot of messaging just in society.

Boys, they hear or they just innately start to understand what masculine stereotypes are.

It’s you have to be aggressive or you have to be extra physical.

You have to be willing to fight.

You have to like certain things.

You have to like sports.

You have to be good at sports.

When it all comes down to it, those things really aren’t that important.

It would be great if my boys shared my hobbies.

I do love sports.

That’s something that is stereotypically masculine about me.

I’d love to share the hobby with them.

I’d love for my boys to be really into baseball and love playing, but they might not.

Really, it’s just a hobby.

That’s not what’s going to make them the kind of person and the kind of man that I want them to become.

I’m not going to raise a bunch of baseball players.

I want to raise a man who has strong character, who has integrity, who treats people well, who manages his emotions well.

I think that I’ve been challenged this year to make sure that I’m modeling those things that they want to see, not just modeling the stereotypes that they should be able to change a tire, or they should be able to catch a fish, which actually I am terrible at catching fish, so they should not look to me as the model for catching fish.

But hopefully, they can look to me as a model for how to treat women based on how I treat their mom or how I treat other women in their lives, their teachers, their friends, parents, people on the baseball field, coaches, umpires.

So, they’re always watching us and I want to be able to model true strong characteristics of a human being, not necessarily the things that traditionally a man ought to know.

That’s what I take away from it.

Very much along a lot of the same lines for myself, but I will admit that when the song first came out, I just completely focused on the first part of the song, because as the father of two girls, I am constantly trying to reinforce to my daughters, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this.

My daughter mows the lawn, she takes out the trash.

Anytime I’ve got some type of a project going on, I try to involve them to at least teach them so they could at least have the experience just so that they’re not completely dependent on somebody.

I want my daughters to be fiercely independent.

When the song first came out, I was just like, all right, this is a little girl power song.

This is just, and I didn’t really ever think very much of it.

Never really thought, just like, okay, it’s a good little tune, girls can do stuff.

All right.

That’s an awesome first message to hear from her too.

Lainey is a strong woman figure and it’s an inspirational song.

I agree.

I read it that way to begin with too.

Then it was just for a couple of years, which is okay, it’s a nice tune.

Then I happened to have CMT on one day, just in the background, and I saw the little video for it.

Then it was like, holy hell.

Okay, I got to look at this again and not just focus on the first part of the song, because just the visual representation that tied to the lyrics that brought it to the end, I was like, this is a smack in the face.

This song is a lot more about girl power.

This is about how to be a proper man, because as you just said, being a man is not necessarily being masculine.

Being a man is being honest and caring and truthful and a good role model and present and all of those things.

So I just really approach this song now from a two-part standpoint.

Yes, you have to be able to know things so that you can be independent.

But as a guy, I don’t think it’s as much about an anthem for girl power, I think more of it is a direct message to the men out there that, okay, if you want a woman, if you want a girl, if you want a wife or a life partner, then you got to do something else.

You got to do more.

So that’s why I like it, just because it hits both sides of the equation.

It is a good music video, I watched it the other day.

I hadn’t seen it in a while.

And yeah, some of those country music videos, it starts off like showing the protagonist daughter starting to grow up and I always see those first scenes of a country music video, I kind of get the chills, like, oh, do I really want to watch this?

I don’t know if I want to cry here over YouTube.

Good tune, great message and a deep message, I think, for everybody.

It’s good to hear the girl dad’s perspective.

I mean, any thoughts, like you have a son also, I mean, is there anything that you always thought that you would want to prioritize teaching him?

What we’ve always kind of said with Luke just goes back to our family dynamic.

It doesn’t matter who makes the money.

It matters that it works for your family.

And that’s all my kids have ever known.

I mean, I’ve been the primary caregiver since day one.

They don’t know anything different.

And we’ve always just tried to make sure they understand that the way we do it is a little bit different, but it works for us.

Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, doesn’t mean it’s right.

It just means that it works for us.

But then that kind of morphs into the, you can do things differently and still be right.

Wrong is not, I mean, different isn’t wrong, I guess is what I’m trying to say.

That’s the big message that we try to get to our kids.

Different doesn’t mean wrong.

Yeah, it’s a powerful message and a powerful thing to model for him.

And I’m hoping I’m doing similar things for my sons.

You know, they see me cooking a lot.

And so they’ve taken an interest in preparing meals for our family.

And it’s something that traditionally is seen as women’s work.

But I think it’s awesome that they could have a passion for cooking and can contribute to their future families in that way, hopefully because they saw me doing it and serving our family in that way.

Dave, you made great points.

Ultimately, when it comes to this song, it is deep, it is subject to interpretation and your interpretation is going to, it’s gonna change based on where you are in your life and it’s gonna vary depending on what your family dynamic looks like.

But there is something in this song ultimately for both men and women.

But the other thing, while we’re on the topic of Lainey Wilson, this came out just a couple of days ago.

As we mentioned before, Lainey is the current queen of country music and been getting everything she’s kinda touching is turning to gold.

And everyone talks about how she’s just an overnight success and she will be the first to tell you that she is not an overnight success.

And I really didn’t know that much about her background until this particular song came out.

But Grady Smith did a very deep dive into her background growing up.

I guess she used to be like a Hannah Montana impersonator when she was younger.

That was awesome.

Yeah, I saw that.

That was so interesting.

It was a great watch.

Grady Smith’s a YouTuber and it was really well put together.

And I learned a lot of stuff about Lainey too.

I thought that I knew someone about her background, the stuff about living in a trailer.

And when he put all the old photos and stuff together in his YouTube video, it really made you feel like she’s just a normal person, just like you or me grinding it out.

Absolutely.

If you are interested, go to Grady Smith’s YouTube channel.

And this particular video, it’s only like 14 minutes long.

It’s titled How Lainey Wilson Took Over Country Music.

And it’s really good.

And it’s great to hear all the background information.

But as a girl dad, as somebody who’s, as I mentioned before, all about girls being able to do anything.

He found one of the lines that she used when she was receiving the 2023 female vocalist at the ACM Awards.

And she says, to all the little girls out there, if you’re gonna be a dreamer, you better be a doer.

And I thought that was just so awesome.

And I’m gonna make my oldest daughter who loves country music, I’m gonna have her sit down and watch that video and stop it.

I’m gonna watch it with her.

And then I’m gonna stop it after that particular line comes up and I’m just gonna look at her and say, see, this is why I push you to just keep doing what you wanna do, because it takes effort.

Yeah, it’s a really good message for anybody, for girls especially coming from Lainey because they can look up to her and she’s a good role model.

I think for anybody, the message that you need to take action if you want to achieve anything is something that I think everyone needs to be reminded of every once in a while, especially if you’re doing something hard, great message for our kids for sure.

Absolutely, absolutely.

Well, I think we are at the conclusion of this episode.

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Dave, what is the status update on the website?

The website is going to happen.

It will be at countrymusicdads.com.

I had some time from my busy schedule with the kids carved out to get the website up, but then I forgot my password and I’m not gonna throw our host, our hosting company under the bus, so I won’t say who it was, but they locked me out of the account for three days actually.

And that was a major setback in launching the website, but the website will be at countrymusicdads.com once I figure things out.

I’m no longer locked out of the website, so that’s the good news.

I can’t believe they just wouldn’t let you reset the password.

I know.

I’m definitely not a web building expert.

I’m an expert in raising my specific kids, and that’s pretty much it.

As we all are.

Quick update, after this episode was recorded, I actually did get my act together, and the website is now up, countrymusicdads.com.

Check it out.

Also wanted to let you all know that we have a Spotify playlist.

If there are any songs that you heard during this episode or previous episodes that you want to take a full listen of, check us out on Spotify, the Country Music Dads playlist.

So anyway, thanks again for joining us.

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